Custom Art Ei.3
Publié : 02 avr. 2015 10:46
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Voici le disclaimer que j'ai écrit sur mon retour sur HF :
Je ne suis pas un basshead, et même considéré comme un gars qui aime plutôt les aigus. J'ai écouté les Ei.3 pendant environ trois heures d'affilée sur mon Lyr2 + Uberfrost au bureau, puis plus tard avec mon iPhone 6 sur mon trajet en RER. Ce ne sont pas même des premières impressions, mais des impressions immédiates, parce que je voulais donner un feedback à Piotr ASAP. Ainsi, manipulez-les avec un soin extrême. Je n'essaie pas de hyper ou d'antihyper. Tout le monde qui me connaît sait que j'apprécie Piotr à l'extrême, et que je crois qu'il comprend vraiment ce qu'est la relation client. Tous ceux qui me connaissent aussi vous diront que si je ne aime pas, je vais aussi le dire. Mon expérience avec les intras a commencé il y a six ans mais je ne ai commencé à être sérieux que l'année dernière. Mon lineup actuel est H8P , SE5 (reshellés par Piotr), Lyr2 + Uberfrost et iPhone 6 + hpp1 (lorsque suffisamment de place). J'ai toujours mes SA7 et ait précédemment possédés des SA6, SM64, et SM3v2 en intras, et DX50, ZX1 et F887 comme DAPs. Mes goûts penchent vers la précision sans son analytique, la qualité de l'ADSR, la largeur et la profondeur de la scène sonore. J'écoute à faible volume. Je ne parle pas beaucoup de musicalité parce que je trouve le sujet trop subjectif à ce point de mon expérience.
Nuff BS, ce qui suit découle de l'écoute de ma playlist de test, qui est encore en croissance (et qui doit pas mal à Vic), basée sur des morceaux que je ai écoutés au moins plus de 300 fois chacun. Tous ne sont pas à mon goût, mais ils sont tous ici pour une raison. Pour la plupart des morceaux, à chaque fois que j'ai remarqué quelque chose, je suis retourné en arrière dans Foobar avec les H8P et les Ei.3, avec adaptation de volume à la main. C'est pourquoi vous trouverez des repères de temps des chansons ci-dessous. J'ai essayé de ne pas me laisser emporter, mais ça peut avoir été le cas à l'occasion. Encore une fois, c'est un retour HYPRA brut, donc essayez de ne pas trop vous enflammer à cause de moi.
Voici la chaîne des e-mails que je ai envoyés Piotr au fil de mon écoute. Je vous mets la chaîne des mails en anglais parce que je n'ai ni le temps ni le courage de traduire. Vous êtes libres d'invoquer les services de TinaraTranslate ou Google Trad qui marche bien aussi.
2015-04-01 15:07 GMT+02:00 Piotr
Hey,
Package has been delivered to your office. Have you got a chance to listen to IEMs?
2015-04-01 15:15 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
They arrived @ 14:50. Struggled to open them unti 14:55 (tough package!). Put them on immediately. Bass promise is delivered. They sound FAST. In phone conferences since 15:00.
Yes crying my eyes out too.
Ps: they re even more pretty in real life.
2015-04-01 15:57 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
Back from meetings. On with the listening ! I will compare them with theH8P to be as unfair as possible :D
2015-04-01 15:17 GMT+02:00 Piotr
Haha! That's a pity. Well looking forward to more impressions.
And thanks, I tried my best working on your IEMs. ;)
2015-04-01 16:19 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
Ok I'll make a twitter like feedback, mail after mail. I'm using Lyr2+Uberfrost. I have slight lack of fitting on the right ear. No biggie, but not perfect.
Iggy Azalea Black Widow => is it me or there are significantly more subs?
I feel like a constant rumble when the deep basses are out, but a controlled one - very much what I expected what a real life woofer would sound like when I first heard the song on the H8P.
At comparable sound levels (hand based), the basses seem to bleed on H8P @ 2:28.
The overall separation seems generally inferior to H8P in the sense that the H8P sounds cleaner, more "cut", but it also sounds more "together".
The scene appears to be somewhat larger and quite a bit less deep than H8P.
Globally, the song sounds more dancy and punchy than with the H8P, with more personality, albeit with quite less extension in the highs (that takes a bit away from the rise @1:32 to 1:45 and the same at 2:50-3:15). It is as if the H8P highs are clear (shiny? open?), while the Ei.3 were more "matte" ?
2015-04-01 16:58 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
Now onto harder stuff : Brahms Requiem (I know, they're not meant for that, but the H8P make me cry on it :D)
It is surprisingly good ! The choirs seem more forward as the clarinette or oboe seems less present. This may actually be even more moving albeit less technical (depth mainly).
2015-04-01 17:04 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
On with Com Truise - Future World. Now I'm getting it ! Is it me or the scene is more forward ? like the music sounds closer to you ? The first 30 seconds are VERY different on Ei.3 and H8P. Here again, sounds leaner and cleaner on H8P maybe somewhat more defined, but also less "personal", less engaging that with the Ei.3. The fact that the scene appears closer makes the effect sound VERY differently. I wonder how they will sound on live music !
2015-04-01 17:25 GMT+02:00 J�r�mie
Daft punk - Contact : on the rise starting from 3:10 on, the subs take over. The line of bass is less present, and the drums highs also. The feeling is more overwhelming (although I love the technicality of the H8Ps on that track). The brain is shaken as you wanted it to be ! It's definitely what you are describing : "For the sound stage Harmony 8 will sound more outside of head and a bit recessed in comparison, obviously Harmony will be more technical and clearer sounding.", and "Harmony will be more technical and clearer sounding".
I will post a summary of all the mails tomorrow on HF. And TN will have to deal with English - I'm not reverse translating ! I am amazed : these totally obliterates SM64 or SA7 (which were released @250), and I LOVED my SA7's !
Dire Straits - Telegraph Road : Oh and about the highs : they still get the highs in from the first second on "Telegraph Road", which I haven't seen in many cases (often, no sound for the first 3 seconds). Is it me or the drums (toms and cymbals mainly) are somewhat less precise, specifically is the sustain and decay (shorter for the Ei.3) ? See 5:50 to 6:00. The bass drum is more lively on the Ei.3, but the cymbals are so much more natural on H8P. Different focus. All of the details of this hard to reproduce song are there. I like this song because it has so much test material in it : single instruments, acoustic guitar, bass lines, mix up, piano, the voice on Mark Knopfler cannot stand a poor placement. Overall, I'd still take the H8Ps on that one, but it is a very lively reproduction.
The depth seems closer to that of H8P than with the previous tracks.
2015-04-01 17:41 GMT+02:00 Jérémie
Dire Straits - On every street : here again, a somewhat unbalanced fight because this songs favor technicality. The sax appears more "moving" with the H8p. The cymbals reproduction of Ei.3 appears much better than with Telegraph Road, despite the even higher complexity. I still like the better ADSR on the cymbals from the H8P, but the matte bell sound starting at 2:50 in the background as well as the "rice box" (I dont know the French name of that instrument, but it sounds like shaking rice in a wooden box) is here too. Many IEMs fail there, including TotL IEMs. I'm very impressed by the level of detail restitution : it is not necessarily perfect, but it is here !
2015-04-01 17:48 GMT+02:00 Jérémie
Massive Attack - Angel : The Ei.3 shine, as you'd expect with the deep bass.
Panda Dub - Myopie : Some pretty good dub stuff. Try it free @ http://pandadub.bandcamp.com My only slight disapointment so far : the tuba starting @ 1:50 is really not as deep. Ony H8P it is a real trip : it seems as if the tuba is coming from 50m away, closing in on you with depth. Here it is fun. But no as fun. In fact, I like to say that H8P are so excellent for "watching the music", enjoying it in a very contemplative manner, which is perfect with Myopie. I'd say that, on the opposite, Ei.3 are made to live the music, live the moment. Need to test them with good rock music.
2015-04-01 18:03 GMT+02:00 Jérémie
Savant - Fat Cat Shuffle. Now try that one
The texture of the bass is a little less controlled than H8P but it is very physically engaging.
The Killers - Mr Brightside : THERE YOU GO! It's exactly the energy I missed on that track from the H8p. (still miss the H8P cymbals though :D)
It's interesting what you said earlier - I do tend to feel more "speed" from the Ei.3 than the H8p. I know that Joe considered that "has a bit shorter/faster note through the bass and midrange. The treble notes are sharper and more analytical, possibly from a faster decay. The H8P can keep up with the speed of any track with excellent punch and dynamic range that again are near the top of the performance charts. Overall coherence is very good, but the treble region at times can reduce the overall frequency response coherence due to the different note ADSR." Imho, the bass attack of H8p is not the fastest (or it is the highs attack which is faster I dunno), which gives this "not as fast" impression. Anyway. Not the case here.
Well congrats. You did it. And yes I see what you mean when you say that electronic music "it's not overly complex." : it isn't in the way that due to the synthetic nature of the music, the sounds tend to be relatively "mono harmonical", and not as complex as live instruments can be.
Juste un mail en réponse de Piotr (I hope you won't mind me quoting you) :
Dans l'ensemble, je dirais que les Ei.3 sont clairement moins techniques que les H8P (mais ça on s'y attendait). Cela ressort en particulier dans l'ADSR des aigus (du moins je pense que j'ai remarqué ça sur les cymbales, où le sustain et le decay sont beaucoup mieux sur les H8P). La scène semble être plus proche de vous, comme si la scène H8P était un peu en retrait, ce qui change les choses de façon spectaculaire sur certains morceaux (voir Drydeck ci-dessus). La basse est vraiment très fun, sans jamais être boomy. En tenant compte du prix, mon premier sentiment est que les Ei.3 sont des tueurs. J'aurais aimé avoir écouté des Music Two pour donner une meilleure comparaison de rapport qualité prix, mais ce n'est pas le cas...Black Widow => is it me or there are significantly more subs?
I feel like a constant rumble when the deep basses are out, but a controlled one
YES!!! First time I heard this song with Ei.3 I was like ...wow... there's constant bass there! really surprised - that's why I told you about that song.
Overall yes, your impressions are spot on and what you "should" hear from it. Harmony 8 will have less sub bass that's for sure, but will have better control and better texturing. With Ei.3 accuracy was not a priority I simply wanted something that will shake your brain good.
For the sound stage Harmony 8 will sound more outside of head and a bit recessed in comparison, obviously Harmony will be more technical and clearer sounding.
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